BBC2 or MW2?

NuFc_kNoXiE_KiLa said:

bfbc2 MP is nothing different to the first, and the SP doesnt look appealing thats why im not getting it. MW2 all the way.

The SP was AWESOME and how can you say its MP hasnt changed? The way they did the squads is more user friendly,they added 2 new modes, fixed the headset issue found in BF1943, and they added new maps, guns, and unlocks. I sometimes prefer BC2 but other times i prefer mw2. Depends on my mood lol

gr8jrfan said:

NuFc_kNoXiE_KiLa said:

bfbc2 MP is nothing different to the first, and the SP doesnt look appealing thats why im not getting it. MW2 all the way.

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The SP was AWESOME and how can you say its MP hasnt changed? The way they did the squads is more user friendly,they added 2 new modes, fixed the headset issue found in BF1943, and they added new maps, guns, and unlocks. I sometimes prefer BC2 but other times i prefer mw2. Depends on my mood lol

arent some of them expected?

fixed headset issue? wtf.

titles, emblems, killstreak loadouts, host migration, prestige challenges, about 10 more gamemodes than bfbc2 anyways, better/different gun attachments + alll the things you said up there. i'll leave it there.

dizzel22 said:

I spose it just depends on what you want MW2 is definatley the more tactical shooter (although most often not played that way) and BBC2 is more of a hectic game.

  Personally im loving BBC2 atm because of the action in it and so far i havent had a problem with Glitchers and Campers robbing me of my fun because they don't know how to play.

what do you mean by tactical? I think MAG and BFBC2 are the more tactical.

Mw2 is for casuals and is a Run'N'Gun shooter. Youre basically youre own team in most games unless youre playing with a clan.

dizzel22 said:

I spose it just depends on what you want MW2 is definatley the more tactical shooter (although most often not played that way) and BBC2 is more of a hectic game.

  Personally im loving BBC2 atm because of the action in it and so far i havent had a problem with Glitchers and Campers robbing me of my fun because they don't know how to play.

Are you on drugs?  The word “tactical” should never be associated with MW2.  Its a run and gun twitch shooter with tons of glitchers doing whatever they can to score higher than you rather than have fun with the game.  Its one of the most frustrating things in video gaming I've encountered in years.  I've never seen something released with so many flaws thats clearly riding on the success of its predecessors and still receive so much praise for innovation where there is none, for quality where there is none, and for fun where there is none.  Its impossible to have fun with this game when people are purposefully getting stuck in walls so you can't kill them, but they can kill you and end the round with a glitched nuke.  Its ridiculous to praise this absurd crap and then call it tactical.  THERE IS NO TACTICS HERE.  There is no balance in this game, no team work, its every man for himself and whoever shoots first wins.  Sorry for that rant, I realize you weren't offering praise for the game, just that comment annoyed the crap out of me.

Tactics – noun – a plan, procedure, or expedient for promoting a desired end or result.

In BFBC2 and MAG, if you want to win on a consistent basis, you need a plan and communication.  Such behavior is highly encouraged by squad organization, and receiving extra experience for working together and taking squad objectives.  Communicating what class type you will use and balancing a squad for multiple roles is rewarding.  Going non-tactical will result in getting squat done.  Going solo  will cause you to die.  I could go into a large amount of detail but won't – its fairly simple to see.  In BFBC2, all class types serve some sort of supportive role that is good for your TEAM – medics heal and resuscitate, recon motion detects and scopes enemies, assault resupplies with ammo, and engineers repair vehicles and dispose of enemy vehicles.  Planning how to use these abiliities in order to achieve victory is tactics.  I can tell a huge difference in both BFBC2 and MAG when I'm with a team who is working together and when I'm with one who's not – by who's ass gets wooped how hard.

@LaurensMalter – no.  It would not be unthinkable to publish a game that way.  In fact, its been happening for the entire span of video gaming history.  The difference is that now games are bigger, more complicated projects, therefore creating many many more chances for errors and glitches to occur – especially when getting online with many players doing many different things at the same time.  Before the advent of the internet on a console it was unthinkable to patch a game.  If it had a glitch when released, it was screwed, end of story.  If it had many glitches it would be enough to murder sales, and for the market to forget about said game. 

The main thing here is… do the patches work?  In MW2's case – not so much.  Sure it fixes one thing, but theres always another glitch, and they're game breaking (so IW can suck my left nut).  BFBC2… well… it looks like we'll have to wait and see – but currently there aren't any real game breaking glitches (yea thats right mojo), unlike MW2.   There are some technical issues, such as an overpowered M60 and spawn camping, but those aren't glitches. Apparently some people get booted from the servers from time to time, but what game doesn't do that?  And really, I've never had that problem.  Dice has plenty of planned additional content coming up that I won't have to pay for, and hopefully they'll address the issues people are posting on the forums… but I worry they won't, since they don't respond to anyone on the forums.  Even if they don't though, it is a well made game.  It worked from day 1, still works now, and I've had zero issues.  cool.

BigWoopMagazine said:

dizzel22 said:

I spose it just depends on what you want MW2 is definatley the more tactical shooter (although most often not played that way) and BBC2 is more of a hectic game.

  Personally im loving BBC2 atm because of the action in it and so far i havent had a problem with Glitchers and Campers robbing me of my fun because they don't know how to play.

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Are you on drugs?  The word “tactical” should never be associated with MW2.  Its a run and gun twitch shooter with tons of glitchers doing whatever they can to score higher than you rather than have fun with the game.

Is that the way it's supposed to be played though ? no it's supposed to be about tactics . Yes you are absolutley correct most people dont use tactics and will do whatever they can to cheat/play dirty and yes it does take the fun out of the game.

 Yes BBC2 does need tactics what i meant by hectic was how there is always something going on , if theres not explosions right next to you it's a tank , or a helicopter or somebody sneaking around the back of you with a boat.

Basically what i meant was BBC2 makes MW2 almost seem boring

NES – Tecmo Super Bowl – In a 2 player game, if a player ran the ball into his own end zone, it would score points for the other team.  By starting a tournament, pressing start on controller 2, and doing this, you could easily win the tourny with no effort.  BROKEN.

N64 – MarioKart64 – on the desert racer level, there is a glitch that will allow you to ride the train track and not get hit by the train – thus shortcutting every one else and winning the race easy.  Not game breaking, but pretty damn cheap, and breaks that level.

PS2 – GOD OF WAR – The harpy glitch.  Frickin google it.  Its even still in the remake – easy trophy!

Tecmo Super Bowl sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Just like in most shooters, if you kill yourself, the other team gets points.

Exploiting this is called boosting not glitching. Learn to internet lingo.

That was a shortcut in Mario Kart. Almost every level had one. I'm genuinely baffled that you thought that was a game breaking glitch.

Next you'll tell me the cave on Koopa Beach was a glitch. Or the road revealed by the tide.

The issues you've named in BFBC2 are not game breaking.  Shoot the damn UAV.  You should be guarding the box anyway.  Its annoying, but they're using a tactic, use tactics to stop them. As for the ticket trick – I have encountered teams using this.  They suck.  I still win.  It just takes forever, and yes, this needs to be fixed. 

Shoot the UAV? Am I meant to spend my time staring at the sky? It takes all of two seconds for it to drop out of the sky onto the crates. Even firing at it all the way, I'd still be lucky to take it out (far enough away so the C4 doesn't take the crate anyway).

And if you've encountered teams doing the medic glitch, and managed to win, they either didn't know what they were doing or you have the leet game winning majics, because just two medics can easily keep their team above 75 tickets for the entire game.

That leaves ten other players with infinite lives and all the time in the world to rocket your crates.

Something tells me you've never played against a proper clan.

 The game has been out a month.  They haven't even had a chance to create a patch and issue it.  MW2 has been out much longer, patched multiple times, still has game breaking glitches, and still has more issues and glitches than BFBC2, which is probably a result of, get this, bad programming and rushed patches.  And, for the record, BFBC2 was tested, it had this thing, we call it a beta.  MW2 however did not.

They've already patched the game. A secret ninja patch about 3 weeks ago. Try going to the UAV third person view. It's now gone.

Also, I think Modern Warfare is also a pile of crap, so trying to justify BC2's fail with MW2 isn't getting you anywhere.

Every game has a beta. You're getting confused between a public beta, which is a marketing stunt, and an internal beta which is actually used to find bugs. You know, where they hire professional beta testers to find all the fail. 

 BFBC2 has improved on its predecessor in every way possible.

No it hasn't. BC2 maps are tiny little shitty Cod maps stitched together. The weapon balance is pathetic. Name one weapon that was “imba” in BC1.

Claiming that one game is better than another is opinion. I preferred BC1 to BC2. 

I also understand how much goes into a game. Which is something I don't think you do.

With programs like Zbrush the 3D work time is cut in half. Considering half the assets in BC2 came straight from BC1, that's even less work that's needed to be done.

The physics haven't changed since BC1 either, with the exception of the few decon buildings, everything is the same.

I'm not talking through my arse when I claim to know what goes into a game, as I'm more interested in the making of them than the playing.

As it's an industry I want to get involved in it's something I've taken the time to learn the ins and outs of.

I've also been part of a modding community for a few years now, and I've studied Game Development in college too.

As it is, modern games are rushed out into the market and fixed later. PC gaming was more patch prone because there was no standard to work with. Every computer is different, so a lot of work has to go into optimising for different systems. Consoles don't have this problem at all.