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parnakas, I would say 1 thing about saying that people are religious… don’t, becasue ‘praticing cristians’ would say they arn’t religious simply becasue they believe religious people blow themselves up in the name of their god. Also if there are fact… then it would be a belife in something. If you beileve in ‘god’ then you don’t know if he/she exists becasue if you did… then you would know that he/she exists and would no longer be a belife. Also I think he is talking about the crusades in the 12th century… And the Cathlic/Prodistent dispute between Northen Irland and Irland it’s self. The IRA was cathlic, and they did cause chaos. Another example of religious warfare would be the terriost attacks on 9/11 and 7/11 (the ones a couple of years back in London.
Killer. Again, what evidence do you have to soport this theroy, becasue it is a belife. You say that the eyptians believed thousand of years ago that ‘gods’ in the sky was looking down on them… 1 they were stars, and 2 it was thousand of years ago so we honestly don’t know… and 3 you’ve been watching too much stargate
KILLER369 said:
parnakas:
do you believe in santa clause?
hell fukin yea
why not? why cant i believe in santa? because there is no PROOF he exists? well, i DO believe in santa because I CHOOSE to. Thats right. I choose to believe that some fat jolly bearded guy comes down my chimney every christmas to give me presents. Its my choice. I dont live by facts, because i choose to live the way i want to. You gonna call me stupid now? cuz i would love to see that.
and Money is the number 1 cause of death.
An average of 237 people die each day because of the wars that started because some country wanted oil or weapons to make money all around the world. USA actually made 2 countries fight, so that those two countries could BUY USA's weapons, so that USA could make money.
Yes, religion does kill, but it is not the NUMBER 1 cause of death.
ps. i thought the main cause of death was 360?
(u had a quote like that at 1 time)KILLER369 said:
l8scent:
actually im trying to remember myself why i directed that at you…..look at it this way:
would you believe in the easter bunny or santa clause? i mean, seriously believe in them, ready to kill for them?i take it the answers no? exactly because we know that the easter bunny and santa clause do not exist.
the history on saint nick (not sure if that was his real name), there was once an eastern european carpinter, who lived in a small village, and to mark the birth of christ, he would, every year, create little wooden toys for the children of the village.
eventually he would hire people that wanted to help, and over time the word got around via travellers and caravans,
but, this story got twisted up so much it turned into this santa (spanish for saint) clause (klause) lives in a very cold and snowy factory (what the west later assumed was the north pole. but hey get close to the alps, what do U get?) and makes toys for children around the world (probably distributed by caravans to some parts of places around the world.
the point is, do you see how a simple tail can be blown into something that is completely not true?
from what ive seen from ancient recordings, there was a huge flying objct that was fully iluminated and out steped a creature that looked similar to human, these creatures were our masters till the first human ruler came about, the stories in the bible are twisted versions of what really happened and tricksters playing people for chumps.
how can you respect an opinion that has no facts to back it up? wheres the proof of jesus other than the bible, where are the 2 tablets with the 10 comandments? religion is not only lies, deception and a way to enslave people. it is the primary cause of death on this planet. if it had no effect on every1 else i’d say let the fools waist their life, but, seeing as it causes more deaths than old age, i kinda have extremely large issues with it.
Santa Clause isn't real?
To be clear, I would never believe in a cause enough to kill anyone. The only way I would ever be driven to that point is if my life or the life of an innocent is directly threatened… and even in that siuation, who knows if i would be successful? If the Easter Bunny happened to be my uncle and someone was trying to kill him.. then yes.. i would kill for the Easter Bunny. (haha)
But seriously, I don't need a history lesson on how Santa Clause came to be. I recognize that there isn't an overweight man travelling on a giant sled pulled by flying reindeer, breaking and entering into every household leaving gifts for all the children. That isn't the point. You stated yourself the idea of Santa Clause originated somewhere. With a man, who, in the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ gave toys to the local children. Frankly, I see nothing wrong with this. He had a belief and he used that belief for a good cause. He spread happiness, even if for one day. It isn't the tale of St. Dick, who, every year on the birth date he didn't believe in, punched the local children in the face. Not everyone believes in Christmas and not everyone has to. I don't think Santa is the villain of society. So really, what's your point on the whole Santa Clause thing?
Continuing… anything in history will get “twisted up” … doesn't matter if the twist is good or bad or unintentional. Unless you were there, you don't know. And even if you were there, your recollection of the event may differ from someone else who was also there. Be it because of emotion, memory lapse, trauma or you feel twisting the story makes a better story… etc etc.
“from what ive seen from ancient recordings” – please don't tell me you saw these ancient recordings on Wikipedia. But what have you seen? You said these creatures ruled until the first human ruler. Well what happened that this human ruler domshowed the other creatures? If those creatures came from huge flying objects.. why didn't they fly away after realizing the supremacy of humans? I'm all for theories so long as theories have continuity… and yours doesn't appear to just yet.
“how can you respect an opinion that has no facts to back it up? wheres the proof of jesus other than the bible, where are the 2 tablets with the 10 comandments?”
As mentioned above, where is your proof of facts? Religions is not about fact. You call out the bible specifically, but how much do you really know about what is said within the bible? And what is your take on other religious teachings.. the bible isn't the only book that exists. Or your distaste for the ten commandments? Is the message not more important than the presentation? If you are going to go on and on about how religion is for chumps and is not real then at least present something more coherent for an argument other than the strategy of persistent narrowmindedness .
In fact I can even help you build a foundation for your argument. Watch the film called Zeitgeist. It is broken down into 3 parts, one of which discusses religion. While it does not call out religion as being for ignorant chumps.. it presents an argument that religion is man made by following the continuities and similarities that exist throughout time and varying religions. While again it is just an alternative view, it possesses more merit than your prattlings.
“religion is not only lies, deception and a way to enslave people.”
Good for you. You are not being lied to, deceived or enslaved because you are free from religion right? Live your life, let others live theirs.
“it is the primary cause of death on this planet. if it had no effect on every1 else i’d say let the fools waist their life, but, seeing as it causes more deaths than old age, i kinda have extremely large issues with it.”
Religion will not cause more death than old age. Are you kidding me? Of the 6 billion human inhabitants on this planet, many will grow old. And die. Religious and non-religious people alike. You cannot state that the majority of Earth's inhabitants will die because of religion and expect to be taken seriously. Also do not pretend your sententiousness is anything but. You act as though what you say on here is to assist the rest of humanity, “if it had no effect…” yeah, right.
Fool: a person who lacks good judgment
The same could be said about you for using the term in the context you used it in, could it not? Maybe if you refrain from making broadsweeping insults about people you do not know (the religious population), your views will be more respected.
And if alll of the above you so choose to discredit that's fine. I'll try a different approach next time.
actually and sadly he does have a point (grossly exaggerated but…) , as in reality , most places across the world have some form of religious war going on : Ireland still has religious riots (if only during the orangist marches) , Israel is in a perpetual state of tension with some of its neighbours , Iran is largely ran by ayatollahs , Islam and Baptist evangelists are trying to take over the world's souls and they're getting somewhere , hell theres even religious fanatic terrorists in India , Bali , Tchetchnia , Russia …. the list goes on. i grew up in a country free of war , in an atheist family. but thats not the case of most people on this planet. i mean 6 million jews were murdered because of their religion 50 years ago , 3 000 died in the World Trade Center allegedly because of religion (or religious madmen shall we say ) , Iraq is largely at war because of religious differences between suunis and chiites…list goes on for a while . even china has some form of religious problems , and last week , Egypt's christian community was rioting in the streets because the government banned pig farms. so , there are MANY conflicts around religion.
and i'd actually be curious to know if old age is the n*1 cause of death…
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